Misc comments accumulated as of May 14 2014

While getting my blog active and organized I have received the following comments as continuations from dialog at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/03/the-ocean-ate-my-global-warming/

John Whitman

 

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5 thoughts on “Misc comments accumulated as of May 14 2014

  1. Mark Bofill

    Hello John,

    What premises could I have had when I made the below statement?

    John Whitman says:
    May 6, 2014 at 7:12 am

    I am amazed that someone in the 21st century would actually call another person a Lord. It is so medieval-ish.

    John

    That is the question. N’est ce pas?What premises could I have had when I made the below statement?

    John Whitman says:
    May 6, 2014 at 7:12 am

    I am amazed that someone in the 21st century would actually call another person a Lord. It is so medieval-ish.

    John

    That is the question. N’est ce pas?

    Mark, we can take this conversation elsewhere, since you seem to think it is not a natural derivative of the thread. Where shall we take it?

    Mark, we can take this conversation elsewhere, since you seem to think it is not a natural derivative of the thread. Where shall we take it?

    I agree, that question could be highly pertinent. What premises did you have when you made that statement?

    I don’t know if it saves time or wastes it to explain my interest in the matter. Disregard if it’s irrelevant. Simply put, titles are largely meaningless to me except as an exercise in good manners. Therefore the only significance I take from the issue is an apparent unwillingness to adhere to good manners. It baffles me that you labor this point as a result, since in general the evidence I’ve seen demonstrates that you are polite.

    Thanks John.

  2. John Whitman Post author

    Mark Bofill,

    I am still inept at moderating my blog, so please be patient.

    My idea in making the comment at Monckton’s post over at WUWT is that it has been hundreds of years since the renaissance and enlightenment that succeeded the medieval.

    My premise is it is not rational for a person to show deference to another merely by accident of birth in this 21st century. It appears barbaric to me.

    NOTE: TO ANYONE COMMENTING, I AM ON A RANDOM SCHEDULE AND A LEARNING CURVE HERE SO BE PATIENT, PLEASE.

    John

  3. Mark Bofill

    Show deference is the key to the issue, maybe. I think of it simply as being polite. I do in fact show Lord Monckton a certain amount of deference, but then again I do the same for Anthony, Willis, Dr. Brown, etc.
    I understand your view. But what could you reasonably hope Lord Monckton would do about it? Should he respond saying ‘please, call me Mr. Monckton’, perhaps? It’d seem cumbersome and awkward to make such a point of it, to me at least. I think he uses the title to good effect. It adds weight to his correspondence when dealing with people like Dr. Parncutt.
    Thanks for the discussion.

  4. John Whitman Post author

    Mark Bofill
    May 7, 2014 at 11:33 am

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    Mark Bofill,

    I find the irrational part to be the caste-like part; lordship due to birth and do not necessarily have a problem with deference per se. Deference can be reasonably based or not reasonably based. I think we both might say deference/ defer in the sense of respect for more knowledge and/or more experience, maybe?

    My original ‘21st century & amazed’ comment was not in specific reference to Monckton. But, that said, I see no reason to defer to Christopher Monckton in any way. I do have very high respect for him in certain limited areas because he has earned my deep respect outright through some of his valuable (to me) work product posted at WUWT.

    Note: I am still trying to figure out how to unthread my blog and also how to move these comments to a dedicated page and off my intro page. I am a learning. : )

    John

  5. Mark Bofill

    John,

    I agree in substance. Particularly that since heritage is indeed accidental, it merits no special respect. The specifics of what merits respect is up for refinement, but more knowledge and/or experience is a decent first approximation.
    Regarding deference, it’s a thin fine line for me between deference and courtesy. Sometimes my courtesy looks like deference, sometimes I do indeed defer, and sometimes not. Other circumstances can play a role. But again, I don’t think I defer to anybody merely because of their title.
    I’m glad my comments are helping you exercise your blogmaster skilz. 🙂 And I’m grateful for your taking the time to clarify your views for me. The set of WUWT commenters I’ve got respect for isn’t all that large, so individuals such as yourself are important to me.

    Regards.

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